Helldivers 2 sold 60% on PC, wouldn't be a top 20 game without it.

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#51 GhostOfGolden
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@TheEroica: The suits deserve 100% of the blame. Once gaming got big enough for these folks to infiltrate the industry, we were doomed. But find me an industry where the consumers are the ones calling the shots. Gamers aren’t revolting against anything. We’ve seen their “boycotts“ in the past. A boycott relies on folks to spend money on what they want. Gamers think holding onto their cash is going to make a difference, when the suits just pivot to where the money is being made.

Nintendo being “behind the times” will be the reasons we still get a variety in games and experiences from them. They will rely on exclusive game sales to push hardware sales and improve attach rates. Meaning they will have to try harder to innovate and appeal to gamers. While the other two will just make what investors tell them to make, with a couple indies sprinkled in here and there.

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#52  Edited By onesiphorus
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@ghostofgolden: If beer drinkers can effectively boycott Bud Lite to where it is no longer the best-selling beer in the U.S., why not gamers?

And speaking of gamers, why there is no advocacy group that speak for their interests like consumer groups? In fact, the gaming media outlets do not advocate for gamers.

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#53 GhostOfGolden
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@onesiphorus said:

@ghostofgolden: If beer drinkers can effectively boycott Bud Lite to where it is no longer the best-selling beer in the U.S., why not gamers?

And speaking of gamers, why there is no advocacy group that speak for their interests like consumer groups? In fact, the gaming media outlets do not advocate for gamers.

Bud Light caught it from both sides. The Trump republicans got offended that the company had a marketing campaign aimed at the trans community, and the LGBTQ+ folks didn’t like the way the company left Dylan out to dry with no support. After a few quiet months, Kid Rock is on Joe Rogan saying everything is cool, it was just a misunderstanding and the trans community moved on to bigger and better things. That whole thing was just a bunch of noise and AB is doing just fine.

And there’s no gaming advocacy group because it’s part of the entertainment industry. It’s not a necessity. And gaming journalists have no spine. They’ll sell their souls for a review copy. It’s cheaper and easier to just go through Twitch streamers.

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#54  Edited By Silentchief
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@hardwenzen said:

Release live service/multiplayer titles on pc so the community is larger, but leave singleplayer titles exclusives to PS5 because pc gamers aren't worth it.

Agreed. This is the only way they keep the Playstation brand relevant.

Playstation is on the path to irrelevance. They haven't announced a single player first party exclusive in nearly 3 years. No wonder they are expected to miss sales targets by 4 million. People are just moving to PC and once that happens their 30% cut on third party games will vanish.

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#55 PCGamerLaszlo
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Gaming on PC just makes sense now as it's more diverse and having an open-house is always great for a gamer.

Just don't use it for piracy and cheating please.

Not only that, but as Consoles become more expensive PC will inevitably grow bigger than it is now to the more informed consumers. When you factor in the $500 for the console and $80 a year for online ($400 over a 5 year console gen) $900 for just the console and online fees. You can buy a mid range gaming PC for $1,000, and that PC has access to a 73,000 game catalogue on Steam alone. Unless you're dead set on console only, the extra $100 for access to thousands of more titles is enough to make a lot of people lean toward PC.

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@pcgamerlaszlo said:
@davillain said:

Gaming on PC just makes sense now as it's more diverse and having an open-house is always great for a gamer.

Just don't use it for piracy and cheating please.

Not only that, but as Consoles become more expensive PC will inevitably grow bigger than it is now to the more informed consumers. When you factor in the $500 for the console and $80 a year for online ($400 over a 5 year console gen) $900 for just the console and online fees. You can buy a mid range gaming PC for $1,000, and that PC has access to a 73,000 game catalogue on Steam alone. Unless you're dead set on console only, the extra $100 for access to thousands of more titles is enough to make a lot of people lean toward PC.

The online fees alone make me wonder why anyone is still being milked by consoles... Seems crazy.

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#57 TheEroica  Moderator
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@ghostofgolden said:

@TheEroica: The suits deserve 100% of the blame. Once gaming got big enough for these folks to infiltrate the industry, we were doomed. But find me an industry where the consumers are the ones calling the shots. Gamers aren’t revolting against anything. We’ve seen their “boycotts“ in the past. A boycott relies on folks to spend money on what they want. Gamers think holding onto their cash is going to make a difference, when the suits just pivot to where the money is being made.

Nintendo being “behind the times” will be the reasons we still get a variety in games and experiences from them. They will rely on exclusive game sales to push hardware sales and improve attach rates. Meaning they will have to try harder to innovate and appeal to gamers. While the other two will just make what investors tell them to make, with a couple indies sprinkled in here and there.

Gamers definitely band together to reject trends we hate.... Battlefront 2, Suicide Squad, the upcoming star wars outlaws is about to bomb hard.... All based on trends gamers reject and discuss...

I imagine Nintendo will still operate how they always have and that's fine... If they're producing decent games people will buy. I will too! I still maintain that if these companies release more and more samezy, vanilla, diminishing return nothingburger games and sequels they won't survive.... Their investors will see they are producing nothing new and it'll be end game.

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@TheEroica said:

Gamers definitely band together to reject trends we hate.... Battlefront 2, Suicide Squad, the upcoming star wars outlaws is about to bomb hard.... All based on trends gamers reject and discuss...

😂 Don't be silly. Gamers are busy waring with each other over dumb shit and time has proven that gamers are pro anti-consumer practices like praising the X360.🤷🏽‍♂️

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@Pedro said:
@TheEroica said:

Gamers definitely band together to reject trends we hate.... Battlefront 2, Suicide Squad, the upcoming star wars outlaws is about to bomb hard.... All based on trends gamers reject and discuss...

😂 Don't be silly. Gamers are busy waring with each other over dumb shit and time has proven that gamers are pro anti-consumer practices like praising the X360.🤷🏽‍♂️

Praising the 360 is anti consumer? Explain! Rrod sucked pretty hard....

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#60  Edited By Pedro
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@TheEroica said:

Praising the 360 is anti consumer? Explain! Rrod sucked pretty hard....

The 360 participated in many anti-consumer practices. The one that stood out the most was charging for services such as Netflix even though the service had nothing do with their online service. Think about that for a moment, they were charging gamers for access to third party subscriptions.😑

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#61 TheEroica  Moderator
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@Pedro said:
@TheEroica said:

Praising the 360 is anti consumer? Explain! Rrod sucked pretty hard....

The 360 participated in many anti-consumer practices. The one that stood out the most was charging for services such as Netflix even though the service had nothing do with their online service. Think about that for a moment, they were charging gamers for access to third party subscriptions.😑

Yikes! So they locked Netflix behind the gold pay wall? I never realized that! Not good.

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Is this in the US or worldwide? Because some tweets are saying US.

Worldwide, PC is by far the larger market. In US, console is (AFAIK). So you could skew the statistics in your arguments favor if you were part of the peasantry and not part of the glorious, pro-gaming Master Race on PC.

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Something cows something movies

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#64 Gifford38
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who cares its still the sop selling game in the us so far in 2024. spin it all you want.

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@gifford38: this has nothing to do with sales

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#66 Gifford38
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@gifford38: this has nothing to do with sales

no but between ps5 and pc its a hit. its a hit for sony.

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@kvallyx said:
@ermacness said:

It’s all good for PC enthusiasts but call me when GOW, TLoU, Spider-Man, or the Horizon series sell more on the PC vs the ps5.

Why call you?

apparently ermacness is a girl, one of the only ones on SW, and she must be single and looking for someone to call her. But with her level of taste and poor standards of these movie games, it ain't happening.

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#68  Edited By tdkmillsy  Online
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@gifford38: not any more it's not. It will be remembered as yet another example of stupid greed from Sony

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@blaznwiipspman1 said:
@kvallyx said:
@ermacness said:

It’s all good for PC enthusiasts but call me when GOW, TLoU, Spider-Man, or the Horizon series sell more on the PC vs the ps5.

Why call you?

apparently ermacness is a girl, one of the only ones on SW, and she must be single and looking for someone to call her. But with her level of taste and poor standards of these movie games, it ain't happening.

Tell us that you’re lonely without telling us that you’re lonely.

🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

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"Sony first party will never go to pc"

The cow narrative that will never be forgotten as 2 saps above defend Sony after they shat on them 😂🤣

Bu bu pc sales.

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@blaznwiipspman1 said:
@kvallyx said:
@ermacness said:

It’s all good for PC enthusiasts but call me when GOW, TLoU, Spider-Man, or the Horizon series sell more on the PC vs the ps5.

Why call you?

apparently ermacness is a girl, one of the only ones on SW, and she must be single and looking for someone to call her. But with her level of taste and poor standards of these movie games, it ain't happening.

So they want me? ❤️

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#72 blaznwiipspman1
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@kvallyx: yeah she definitely wants you